Talk:Ex Astris, Scientia

Ideal Crew
I think there needs to be some clarification for the "ideal crew." To claim every reward on epic, only 12 characters are needed, and MANY of the characters listed here (Lt Commander Scott, Nurse Paris, Commander Riker, Acting Ensign Crusher, Recovering Spock) aren't among them. With crew space being a huge issue right now, would it not be better to recommend ONLY the minimalist crew or to recommend a minimalist crew in addition to the so-called "ideal," crew? For reference, to claim every rare reward on EAS at the Epic level, minimalist characters are: Sito Jaxa/Ensign Ro, Enterprise-D Picard/Ensign Sato, Lt Naomi Wildman/Ensign Seska, Commander Tucker, CMO Crusher, Ensign Pazlar, and Security Chief Worf.
 * Though I didn't create or maintain this page, I'd like to react to that:


 * I completely agree with you, the "ideal" crew should be the best possible crew for that mission. This *might* differ from the minimalist crew that can master all missions, so it might be worth to add a separate paragraph/section that lists the minimalistic away team for EAS.


 * You might also want to look at this User page: User:Varietas, he listed these as "Needed to complete all Cadet Challenges". So you might want to compare them to your 12 (although you named only 11). But I don't know whether the list of 9 is enough to 3-star epic, or whether it's just enough to 1-star epic.


 * Looking at the page history of EAS, it seems most crew suggestions are "ancient" (=April), so several of the crew members you listed probably didn't even exist yet.


 * It would be great if you could extend/correct the page according to your data, feel free to edit it :o) --Crunch (talk) 16:38, 27 June 2016 (CDT)

/ vs. | vs. br
Putting the three numbers on three lines does look a bit more clean, however, IMHO it impedes readability in the overview tables, as you often want to quickly compare different missions to each other, which is very hard if you first need to mentally "select" the correct row each time. So I also converted this to use the  template. It has the additional advantage that the formatting and style can be maintained at a single place now (so it could be changed globally to , if so desired, or changed back to '/', or something else). I had to remove the "Lvl" column with the icons, though, as it's no longer applicable. Are you guys fine with that? --Crunch (talk) 11:00, 28 May 2016 (CDT)

(see also Template talk:triple) --Crunch (talk) 13:50, 28 May 2016 (CDT)

Broken Sorting
Just in case you were wondering about my most recent commit message: No idea what's going on, but for some reason r31348 broke the sortability of the "Eligible Crew" table. In the Chrome console on Linux I get a  as soon as I try to sort. In this particular case, the bug vanishes if the last cell of the first line is non-empty - but that's not a general fix! For example, this table (with all cells non-empty) is still unsortable (except the first column on every other click):

While this one is fine (all I removed is the "expand-child" that keeps lines together):

What appears to fix it is forcing the data-sort-type for all columns:

This behaviour doesn't make sense, the syntax is fine, and it should be allowed. Copy&Paste to wikipedia works, and as this Wiki uses the most recent stable MediaWiki release (=1.26.3), and the Console error comes from php, my guess would be it's a php bug (this Wiki uses 5.4.45, which is about a year old now, and 5.4 is no longer supported). --Crunch (talk) 22:00, 7 June 2016 (CDT)