Template talk:CrewNav

Link directly to crew member if unique?
I'd like to propose that this template links directly to a specific character page instead of the landing page (for example, like this: Kes), if there is only one version of that character. It's much quicker to navigate this way, as many characters have only one version (esp. Cadets).

If they *do* introduce a second version, the link would be switched back to the landing page here.

What do you think? --Crunch (talk) 17:47, 6 June 2016 (CDT)


 * But what if they add new crew members of that character in the future (like they did recently with Ogawa)? I think this is more systematic and requires less maintenance in the future (except adding new characters). --Koba44 (talk) 09:08, 10 June 2016 (CDT)


 * I agree with Koba44. Each crew member has their own page, and the Character has their own or shared page. The Character page is "other" info about the Characters, then splits off into the individual (specific) crew member pages.


 * I understand your arguments. However, think about when and why you use the CrewNav: Almost all people will use the nav shortcut because they want to find specific info about their actual crew member, or one they are interested in. The character pages are great, and it is good that they exist, and for characters with more than one version there is no question that the CrewNav must link there - but frankly, the information in there is completely irrelevant for the game if the character only *has* one version. So you keep clicking Especially when digging for Cadets, this quickly becomes annoying, because you unnecessarily have to wait for the Character page to load, just to click again to get to the only version of that character. --Crunch (talk) 17:58, 10 June 2016 (CDT)
 * "...Especially when digging for Cadets..." - so I created this page for those digging for Cadets :) --Koba44 (talk) 06:00, 13 June 2016 (CDT)
 * IMHO it's not too much of a cost (or a problem) to revert the link to the character page, if a second version of that character is introduced. There are so many things that need to be adjusted when a new character appears, this one additional link change shouldn't really matter (especially as it would get changed all at once, for all new characters introduced at the same time). There is no danger that it will be forgotten, as everybody clicking on the name in question will immediately realize if it's not the character they're looking for. --Crunch (talk) 18:03, 10 June 2016 (CDT)

Character naming - Last name
I recently reverted Gamma Sector's changes of "Rozhenko" to "Alexander" and "Wildman" to "Naomi". I think in this template characters should be named similarly by their last name (if possible), not by character name given by game, because characters are ingame named sometimes by first name (Keiko, Wesley) and sometimes by last name (O'Brien, Crusher). That is not systematic. We could also name character by full name (for example Alexander Rozhenko), but I think the result would be colossal navigation table. I think that is not necessary. So full name is given only to multiple characters with same last name (like O'Brien, Dax or Crusher...) --Koba44 (talk) 09:15, 10 June 2016 (CDT)


 * The Character name should be the one shown in the crew list. They have some first name and some last name because of the other characters in the game. For example, all Wesley Crusher's are called Wesley. All Beverly Crusher's are called Crusher. They both can't be called Crusher. Same with Keiko O'Brien called Keiko, and all versions of Miles O'Brien called O'Brien. Jello (talk) 16:58, 10 June 2016 (CDT)


 * I concur with, the logical choice is to use the same naming as they are used in the actual game. These names are both short and unique (in the sense of "always referring to the same character"), and that's what players are looking for, especially if they do not know every Star Trek character's first and surname by heart.
 * This would mean that for example Beverly Crusher and Wesley Crusher will be separated to just Crusher and Wesley respectively. If somebody accidentally *does* click on Crusher, expecting a Wesley, he will be immediately greeted with a "Did you mean Beverly Crusher?" on the character page, so that's not a real problem. --Crunch (talk) 18:16, 10 June 2016 (CDT)


 * Ok, so ALL posts will be reverted to original character name as shown ingame. --Koba44 (talk) 01:56, 11 June 2016 (CDT)

Include Tomalak?
Should Tomalak really be included in the *Crew*Nav template? IMHO it's a bit confusing, as it's "only" a character that happens to appear in one Prologue mission, which is invisible to anyone who finished the Prologue (=all regular players), and Tomalak is not playable/collectible. Although it says "Character Pages" in its visible title, that's not what that list is intended for. It might be an option to rename the title to "Crew Pages" or something. --Crunch (talk) 15:27, 10 June 2016 (CDT)
 * OK, Tomalak is going out :) --Koba44 (talk) 01:53, 11 June 2016 (CDT)

Ezri / Jadzia
Crunch, I have (in-game) all Ezri Dax crew members in crew roster named as "E. Dax" and all Jadzias as "J. Dax". Don't you? So I think in the template they should be named as they appeared ingame according to what was discussed above. --Koba44 (talk) 07:10, 11 June 2016 (CDT)
 * Wow, that's weird.
 * Screenshot_2016-06-11-14-23-38.png
 * Are you maybe on iPhone? I'm using Android, current app version, and it's been like that since I started to play (=around May 14th), for all Ezri versions. --Crunch (talk) 07:30, 11 June 2016 (CDT)


 * LOL. I have also Android and current app version - this are my Daxes:
 * Screenshot 2016-06-11-19-19-06.png
 * Anyway, I think "Ezri Dax", and "Jadzia Dax" in CrewNav wont harm anyone. And I will create redirect pages for "Ezri" and "Jadzia" in case there are more people like you. --Koba44 (talk) 12:27, 11 June 2016 (CDT)


 * One more idea - isnt that just because Ezri Tigan is not "Dax", because she hasnt symbiont in her? --Koba44 (talk) 12:36, 11 June 2016 (CDT)


 * Hm, that's a good point, although I *thought* I was relatively sure that it always said Ezri. But it would definitely explain it.
 * Unfortunately I already airlocked my 1*- and 3*-E. Dax's, as they are not very good and had to make room. Maybe someone else can confirm?
 * The workaround to spell out their first and last names for this special case is quite fine with me. Otherwise we would have to think about including both in the CrewNav, which seems more awkward. --Crunch (talk) 13:15, 11 June 2016 (CDT)


 * ...now you moved "Ezri Dax" back to "Ezri"? --Crunch (talk) 19:57, 11 June 2016 (CDT)
 * Well, just because Ezri Tigan is not Dax. I think "Ezri" is the most suitable form for all Ezris. But Character templates and everything else is linked to "E. Dax", so I added a note in "E.Dax" character page with explanation why is Ezri Tigan linked to E. Dax character page. --Koba44 (talk) 05:55, 13 June 2016 (CDT)

Lwaxana Troi
I just claimed Lwaxana Troi from the time portal. She is listed as Troi (character)! So I changed appearance of names in template do Deanna Troi and Lwaxana Troi. Links remain same. --Koba44 (talk) 01:39, 25 June 2016 (CDT)
 * Argh. DB and its little bugs... x-D --Crunch (talk) 06:20, 25 June 2016 (CDT)

Locutus / Picard
Just for the record: I found some screenshots, where is shown that Locutus of Borg is ingame stated as "Locutus" (character). So I edited character page of Locutus (which was dead) and redirects it to Picard's char page adding note with explanation why is Locutus linked there. My question is, if it is necessary to add "Locutus" (linked to Picard) to CrewNav table. In my opinion its not only duplicite, but also unnecessary, because Locutus is an extreme unique legendary crew member and almost nobody has him. And CrewNav table is crowded already and even will be (as Nod stated on forum, that game will once include 300 or 400 crew members... :-D ) --Koba44 (talk) 23:08, 30 June 2016 (CDT)